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Let this serve as a precaution to all SMs that there can be serious UCMJ consequences if you choose to conduct yourself unprofessionally on social media.
The values of your branch -- in this case, the 7 Army Values -- should remain at the front of your mind at all times.
Here, this young PFC is openly disrespecting some of the most precious regs and standards of the Profession.
Again, be aware and make sure your battle buddies in your unit are not behaving like this.
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Rediculous. There is no regulation that I've heard of stating that you have to get out of your car and salute. Myth 1 rebuke. Myth 2 rebuke, her staying in the car saying she is hiding out to not salute and posting the self ie is not enough. This crap is going too far. Yes she is stupid however no action should be taken just because she openly stated on social media what I've seen thousands of people do over the years almost every day. Grow up.
ReplyDeleteLet me redirect you to article 92 or 134.
DeleteAhhhhhh the beautiful "Catch all" of the UCMJ, Article 134. looks like your "Myth rebukes" have been rebuked.
DeleteMichale Forbes, almost every Army post in the United States has a standing order from the Post Commander that you will exit your vehicle and salute the flag. Violating a lawful order given by a superior is punishable under UCMJ. Doing it in a manner to bring discredit upon yourself and the Army in such a public manner is even a more serious matter under UCMJ. The fact that she feels the need to hide just proves she knows she is wrong. If you had been in for years as you say you would know UCMJ Article 134.
DeleteMichael Forbes, you are a barracks lawyer that needs to bone up on his regulations and manuals.FM 3-21.5, Chapter 13 section 13-2 states as follows:
Delete13-2. RETREAT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS
The sequence of events for conducting retreat are discussed herein.
a. The unit is formed facing the flag five minutes (if possible) before the sounding of retreat. Four minutes before the sounding of retreat, the adjutant or other appointed officer takes his position centered on and facing the line of troops and commands Battalion, ATTENTION and then Parade, REST.
b. The adjutant faces about and executes Parade Rest. On the last note of retreat, the evening gun is fired. The adjutant then comes to Attention, faces about, and commands Battalion, ATTENTION and Present, ARMS so that the unit is at Present Arms when the first note of "To the Color" or National Anthem is sounded. The adjutant then faces about and executes Present Arms. The adjutant's Salute is the signal for the band to begin playing "To the Color."
c. At the last note of "To the Color" or the National Anthem, the adjutant faces about, commands Order, ARMS, and then directs TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR UNITS. Unit commanders render the Hand Salute. The adjutant returns all Salutes with one Salute. This terminates the retreat formation.
NOTE: When subordinate units stand retreat, not as a part of a major command, the sequence is the same except the unit commander gives the commands.
This is NOT optional. If you are not in a formation, the sequence of events still applies. Nowhere in this FM does it state you are exempt from this tradition if there is no one to direct you through the steps. NOWHERE IN THIS FM DOES IT STATE YOU ARE EXEMPT. This isn't a game of "well, it didn't say I *had* to".
And even if that were the case, I'm pretty sure your Drill Sergeant told you this was the way things are done, and I highly doubt he/she ever rescinded that standing order, nor has anyone that outranks him/her ever countermanded it. That, AND FM 3-21.5 Ch 13 definitely qualify as Lawful Orders, which is a crime, as put forth by UCMJ Article 92, Failure To Obey Order or Regulation... which, consequently, states: “Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
In other words, you fail, so fucking hard, it's not even funny. Please slap yourself, repeatedly, until you pass out. But, you're so useless, you'll probably even fuck that up.
Micheal Forbes did you make NCO. Because if you did your poor leadership in letting this slide is why you see so many soldiers being dicked up. They should come down hard on this soldier and anyone else that thinks it's a joke to show blatant lack of discipline for the uniform, branch, and foremost country.
DeleteRet Ssg u.s army infantry
Actually, there are post rules placed by the post commander. Fort Sill OK for instance it's mandatory at the hours posted to stop your vehicle and salute the flag. You will be cited for not doing this. So, learn what you're talking about before you talk.
ReplyDeleteAlso there's "Honor- Live up to all the Army values" and "Integrity- Do what's right, legally and morally (even when no one is watching)"
ReplyDeleteHow about these sections of the Soldier's Code:
3). I will honor my Country, the Army, my unit and my fellow Soldiers by living the Army values.
4). No matter what situation I am in, I will never do anything for pleasure, profit or personal safety which will disgrace my uniform, my unit, or my Country.
5). Lastly, I am proud of my Country and its FLAG. I want to look back and say I am proud to have served my Country as a Soldier.
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